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April 6, 2003 at 12:00 AM
That manipulative jerk..Glorfindel..he is mindwashing Legolas of course, that evil, insidious..Noldo..
I repeat, I have a hearfel desire to see him punished..
Might galvanize the plot a little as well..
I repeat, I have a hearfel desire to see him punished..
Might galvanize the plot a little as well..
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April 6, 2003 at 12:00 AM
I can't believe I like this chapter.More please!!!
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April 6, 2003 at 12:00 AM
First my responses to the review conversations...
Ophirianne -- I can't do email from where I'm at right now... I'll try contacting you later. Thanks very much for your response!
Esteliel -- Thanks also for *your* comments. You are correct about the "slave" comment... I had gotten confused from reading Ophirianne's story. (Too much late-night, sleep-deprived, furtive slash reading! Can't keep mad oad or my comments straight!)
I guess that you are correct that Glorfindel can't do *whatever* he wants (except to Legolas...and Celeirdur...), yet he *did* threaten those two stablehands with a duel if they touched Legolas again. Which has me wondering what if they *did* -- he would almost have to carry through on his threat, and then what would Elrond do?
I am also interested in your comment about Legolas as POW... it may have started that way, but now that there is a treaty in effect, isn't the war effectively over? And shouldn't *all* the POWs in both kingdoms be repatriated? See, this is why we keep nagging you about the treaty details! We want more global plot! More details on the treaty!
Intrigued by whatever Glorfindel is up to, that he is going to impress upon everyone that Legolas is a prince. Except... (and keeping in mind his comments to Legolas about revisionist history in an earlier chapter), I am under the impression that having been banned from Mirkwood, Legolas has *also* been disowned by his father -- hence, no longer a prince. Sguesguess we'll just have to see what's up with that. (You just keeping twisting that cliffhanger knife into us, don't you?)
Also intrigued about your comment about wanting to keep Celeirdur unbroken for a future story. (Yes, I agree that if Haldir and Elladan had him *long enough*, they would have certainly done the job.... anyone and everyone will eventually break... Not gonna comment further on that, trying hard to be obedient per Ophirianne and not hijack the board...) But why do I get the feeling that bad things are in store for Celeirdur?
Finally, I'm glad that you appreciate the feedback. Sometimes I cringe after posting... *ack* (s)he's NOT going to like that! *ack* I can't help it, though.... I'm a natural critic. I *am* trying harder to keep my personal tastes (Glorfindel ... shudder) separate from the plot/character/etc. discussion. I know I'm not succeeding... but I see that there are others on both review boards with somewhat similar tastes/comments, so I don'el qel quite so bad about it.
Oh, one more question before commenting briefly on chapter 31 -- this re names.s ths there a specific meaning for 'Esteliel' and 'Anestel'? My knowledge of any Elvish language is just about nil... but my understanding is that Estel is 'Hope', and El is 'star', so does 'Esteliel' mean something like 'Star of Hope', and 'Anestel' mean something like 'No Hope'? (This last would certainly be appropriate... and I'm going from the English prefix meaning of "an-".)
OK, Chapter 31 comments, very briefly... Your descriptive prose for Legolas' inner thoughts over these past few chapters has been very nice, and it continues in this chapter. The beginning of the chapter was also rather sweet.
Still... Glorfindel and his comparison of Legolas, to breaking a colt... *shudder*. I am totally on Legolas' side on this one -- he is *not* an animal! (Bet Glorfindel wouldn't care for my attitude at all!)
But it was interesting to see a bit more of Glorfindel's inner thought process, which has been almost non-existent up until now. It was also nice to know that Glorfindel is concerned about Legolas not dying in some future pregnancy. Now if we could only believe that it was on the basis of some warm feelings, as opposed to losing a posession.... (Maybe you tried to express this with the proud stallion/King of Rohan analogy, but that was, well, repulsive. Not to mention bringing unpleasant images to mind.... mounts... riding.... And there are those personal feelings again!)
Meanwhile, given that you are trying to wrap this up, don't forget that you've got various dangling threads to tie up!
Ophirianne -- I can't do email from where I'm at right now... I'll try contacting you later. Thanks very much for your response!
Esteliel -- Thanks also for *your* comments. You are correct about the "slave" comment... I had gotten confused from reading Ophirianne's story. (Too much late-night, sleep-deprived, furtive slash reading! Can't keep mad oad or my comments straight!)
I guess that you are correct that Glorfindel can't do *whatever* he wants (except to Legolas...and Celeirdur...), yet he *did* threaten those two stablehands with a duel if they touched Legolas again. Which has me wondering what if they *did* -- he would almost have to carry through on his threat, and then what would Elrond do?
I am also interested in your comment about Legolas as POW... it may have started that way, but now that there is a treaty in effect, isn't the war effectively over? And shouldn't *all* the POWs in both kingdoms be repatriated? See, this is why we keep nagging you about the treaty details! We want more global plot! More details on the treaty!
Intrigued by whatever Glorfindel is up to, that he is going to impress upon everyone that Legolas is a prince. Except... (and keeping in mind his comments to Legolas about revisionist history in an earlier chapter), I am under the impression that having been banned from Mirkwood, Legolas has *also* been disowned by his father -- hence, no longer a prince. Sguesguess we'll just have to see what's up with that. (You just keeping twisting that cliffhanger knife into us, don't you?)
Also intrigued about your comment about wanting to keep Celeirdur unbroken for a future story. (Yes, I agree that if Haldir and Elladan had him *long enough*, they would have certainly done the job.... anyone and everyone will eventually break... Not gonna comment further on that, trying hard to be obedient per Ophirianne and not hijack the board...) But why do I get the feeling that bad things are in store for Celeirdur?
Finally, I'm glad that you appreciate the feedback. Sometimes I cringe after posting... *ack* (s)he's NOT going to like that! *ack* I can't help it, though.... I'm a natural critic. I *am* trying harder to keep my personal tastes (Glorfindel ... shudder) separate from the plot/character/etc. discussion. I know I'm not succeeding... but I see that there are others on both review boards with somewhat similar tastes/comments, so I don'el qel quite so bad about it.
Oh, one more question before commenting briefly on chapter 31 -- this re names.s ths there a specific meaning for 'Esteliel' and 'Anestel'? My knowledge of any Elvish language is just about nil... but my understanding is that Estel is 'Hope', and El is 'star', so does 'Esteliel' mean something like 'Star of Hope', and 'Anestel' mean something like 'No Hope'? (This last would certainly be appropriate... and I'm going from the English prefix meaning of "an-".)
OK, Chapter 31 comments, very briefly... Your descriptive prose for Legolas' inner thoughts over these past few chapters has been very nice, and it continues in this chapter. The beginning of the chapter was also rather sweet.
Still... Glorfindel and his comparison of Legolas, to breaking a colt... *shudder*. I am totally on Legolas' side on this one -- he is *not* an animal! (Bet Glorfindel wouldn't care for my attitude at all!)
But it was interesting to see a bit more of Glorfindel's inner thought process, which has been almost non-existent up until now. It was also nice to know that Glorfindel is concerned about Legolas not dying in some future pregnancy. Now if we could only believe that it was on the basis of some warm feelings, as opposed to losing a posession.... (Maybe you tried to express this with the proud stallion/King of Rohan analogy, but that was, well, repulsive. Not to mention bringing unpleasant images to mind.... mounts... riding.... And there are those personal feelings again!)
Meanwhile, given that you are trying to wrap this up, don't forget that you've got various dangling threads to tie up!
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April 2, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Yeah!!! Seven more reviews.
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April 2, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Mixed emotions on this....
So sad for Legolas....as he begins to comprehend the degree of mind control that Glorfindel has won over him.
Incredulous that Glorfindel let those off off with only a warning... wishing that Hirion, at least, had gotten pounded into the dust. (Like others, I suspect that we are not yet done with trouble from that source. Hint, hint.) I had thought that Glorfindel would have gone berserk, especially since his son was vulnerable in that situation. Hmmm... the mighty Glorfindel, restrained from dealing damage -- why?? By the laws of Imladris??
Wonder at Glorfindel's words to them... reminding them that Legolas is a prince, and telling them that he is barely tamed (this last doesn't seem quite true!). What's this -- just a rationalization as to why he believes Legolas, and not them?? Or is he pumping up Legolas' self-esteem?? Is this a caution to them to respect his slave (for the slave's capabilities, as opposed to the fact that he is Glorfindel's)?? What on Arda??
Some smattering of true concern for Legolas?? And not just because he is Glorfindel's property??
And speaking of slavery/property -- well, there we have it folks, baldly stated what Legolas' legal status is. (And since when is slavery legal in Imladris??)
Sigh... questions, more questions!
Esteliel -- thanks for putting up the link to your homepage. Since you like it, wondering if you totally agree with Ophirianne's story (that Celeirdur would indeed have so precipitously broken... as he sure seemed (to me) to still have it together the night before). Just curious what your take on this is. (Random thoughts.... Wish someone had written a PWP regarding Celeirdur with Haldir and Elladan. *slaps self* Hoping to see more of Celeirdur when you eventually get around to the Mirkwood story.)
Also, since Legolas is now back in his robe, don't forget that there is some revision of past chapters in order!
And yes, I'll be hanging in there until the end, too. (Questioning and/or criticizing every bit of it, lol...)
So sad for Legolas....as he begins to comprehend the degree of mind control that Glorfindel has won over him.
Incredulous that Glorfindel let those off off with only a warning... wishing that Hirion, at least, had gotten pounded into the dust. (Like others, I suspect that we are not yet done with trouble from that source. Hint, hint.) I had thought that Glorfindel would have gone berserk, especially since his son was vulnerable in that situation. Hmmm... the mighty Glorfindel, restrained from dealing damage -- why?? By the laws of Imladris??
Wonder at Glorfindel's words to them... reminding them that Legolas is a prince, and telling them that he is barely tamed (this last doesn't seem quite true!). What's this -- just a rationalization as to why he believes Legolas, and not them?? Or is he pumping up Legolas' self-esteem?? Is this a caution to them to respect his slave (for the slave's capabilities, as opposed to the fact that he is Glorfindel's)?? What on Arda??
Some smattering of true concern for Legolas?? And not just because he is Glorfindel's property??
And speaking of slavery/property -- well, there we have it folks, baldly stated what Legolas' legal status is. (And since when is slavery legal in Imladris??)
Sigh... questions, more questions!
Esteliel -- thanks for putting up the link to your homepage. Since you like it, wondering if you totally agree with Ophirianne's story (that Celeirdur would indeed have so precipitously broken... as he sure seemed (to me) to still have it together the night before). Just curious what your take on this is. (Random thoughts.... Wish someone had written a PWP regarding Celeirdur with Haldir and Elladan. *slaps self* Hoping to see more of Celeirdur when you eventually get around to the Mirkwood story.)
Also, since Legolas is now back in his robe, don't forget that there is some revision of past chapters in order!
And yes, I'll be hanging in there until the end, too. (Questioning and/or criticizing every bit of it, lol...)
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April 2, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Oops.... it was in Ophirianne's story where Glorfindel openly called Legolas his slave. Oops...
Still, Glorfindel didn't dispute the status, when Legolas told him their comments (that he would believe Noldor as opposed to a Sindar slave).
Still, Glorfindel didn't dispute the status, when Legolas told him their comments (that he would believe Noldor as opposed to a Sindar slave).
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April 2, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Forgot to mention this...
Ophirianne -- while I do not agree with the premise in your Anestel story (that Celeirdur would have so readily broken), I did think that it was nicely written. I especially liked the Legolas POV. And the ending was especially well done.
Ophirianne -- while I do not agree with the premise in your Anestel story (that Celeirdur would have so readily broken), I did think that it was nicely written. I especially liked the Legolas POV. And the ending was especially well done.
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April 1, 2003 at 12:00 AM
I never thought that I would like this story as much as I have. This is very nicely written and I hope you keep it up!!!!
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April 1, 2003 at 12:00 AM
chapter30:
aw that was sooooo sweet! -melts-
more more more!
gabe
aw that was sooooo sweet! -melts-
more more more!
gabe
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March 31, 2003 at 12:00 AM
Oh, it might be more than just 2 or 3 chapters... it might very well be 5 or so. It just feels to me like I should be able to wrap it up with 3, but then, my chapters tend to grow longer than I planned -- I'm not trying to finish this as fast as possible, but I need to see the end in front of me, at least of this particular story arc.
And I don't think I'll write the Elrohir-in-Mirkwood story just yet... I wanted to, but my Glorfindel-Muse is louder than the Mirkwood-Muse. I might write the ficlet about how Glorfindel and Legolas first met in Mirkwood, though, but that won't be very long. :)
And I don't think I'll write the Elrohir-in-Mirkwood story just yet... I wanted to, but my Glorfindel-Muse is louder than the Mirkwood-Muse. I might write the ficlet about how Glorfindel and Legolas first met in Mirkwood, though, but that won't be very long. :)